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Olusoga was born in Lagos to a White mother and a Nigerian father - who, I hate to say nautrally, did a runner. I personally dont find that as convincing as the case that slaves themselves deserved compensation, and while there were strong political and practical reasons owners were compensated upon abolition but not their former slaves, it doesnt leave a great moral taste in the mouth that twas so. But Ill tell you what, slavery and human sacrifice, still awful. And, of course, being half white, he is only entitled to half the reparation payment. White people will take it. The arguments do you want to get shaken down for several trillion?. Blacks like Mr Olusoga despite endlessly banging on about it seem to overlook the fact that they are in a minority. Davids all done. But a group of 12 disciples of Christ set out to change things. Kyle Rittenhouse, unlike the rest of their sorry asses, did something. Prof Darity and Ms Mullen outline that to eliminate the existing Black-White wealth gap an allocation of between $10 trillion and $12 trillion, or about $800,000 per black household, should be paid. Cest de la trs bonne dialectique conomique. They have a game plan & youre falling for it. Over 1000 years in Britain. I can then give him the details of other descendants, he can apologise to and compensate. Now sixteen sounds about okay to me if youre going to stick a limit somewhere, but then being British I suppose Im more likely to think the system Im accustomed to is normal and reasonable. Theres an argument about judging people by the standard of their times, though even in the 1500s moral and religious objections to the slave trade had been made and the rationale of crimes against humanity is that some things are so abhorrent they could never truly be legal no matter what moral code the perpetrators justified themselves with. It built slave forts on the African coast, some such as Bunce Island in Sierra Leone furnished with a rape house. Id say theres enormous dangers in treating this as if it was some public school debating society gig. Then, in October, came a breakthrough. "Equiano is the most important voice that we have from the British experience of slavery and the slave trade," he said. In the late 1800's and early 1900's, 30,000 Jewish migrants from Russia and Eastern Europe settled in Manchester. The answer is money. Watching @worstall execute @richardjmurphy is like watching a very, very clever cat slowly killing at ataxic mouse. He was born in Nigeria but arrived in the . It has been reissued by publishing house Hodder and Prof Olusoga has written the foreword. They did not pay for them and were going to kill a lot of them anyway. It may not. It is a political campaign, not a contribution to academic history. That assumes an increase in demand. I assume he is not very bright and Race Hustling is very lucrative. And any reparations should be paid 50% by the African states for the areas which sold the slaves and pocketed the proceeds. Prof David Olusoga has presented numerous documentaries including A House Through Time and Black and Black and British: A Forgotten History, Olaudah Equiano played a role in Britain's abolishment of slavery, Performer Giles Terera has written a play featuring Equiano, Prof Olusoga said when it was published, people did not believe the book was by an African as it was deemed so well written, Bernardine Evaristo (second left) has launched a series called Black Britain: Writing Back which features novels by black British authors that have been overlooked, Should black history be taught all year round? (I suppose it makes a point about blame not being distributed homogeneously, or that a certain group of people shouldnt be guilted just because they share the same colour of skin with another bunch of people you do think are guilty. He saw how enslaved people who had risen up were burnt to death, castrated or mutilated, punishments he regarded as merited. A weekly round-up of some of the best articles featured in the most recent issue of the New Statesman, sent each Saturday. They deliberately bought skewed mostly male gender balance. . Not sure theyd do that with modern sensibilities mind you. Then a young teenager, he was driven out of his council home, together with his grandmother, mother, two sisters and younger brother, by a sustained campaign of nightly stoning of their windows. We do not know how great the demand for women was. Viking Dublin was a major slave-trading centre (English, Irish, Scots, anyone else they could get their hands on). They included Josiah Wedgwood (the pottery entrepreneur), Granville Sharp and Thomas Clarkson. Definitely didnt die out with the Romans. The New Statesmans weekly environment email on the politics, business and culture of the climate and nature crises - in your inbox every Thursday. But Muslims were enslaving white Europeans into Africa long before the Atlantic route, usually castrating the males. The many African-American abolitionists, such as Frederick Douglass, who visited Britain from the 1840s onwards, were well received and, again, thousands of people greeted them and raised money to support their cause. If there were African states with legal continuity to those political entities which established and encouraged the African slave markets, they would be on the hook too, but theres a discontinuity due to colonialism and besides, everyone knows to sue the rich guy not the poor guy. Get back to us when your sin/privilege is expunged. It died out with the Romans leaving, and its non-legality repeatedly reaffirmed from the reign of the early Normans onwards.. You might have heard of a Romano-British chap called Patrick, got enslaved and nabbed to Ireland? That is not true. Giles Terera, the Olivier award-winning British performer who starred in the popular theatre production Hamilton, has recently staged a play called the Meaning of Zong about the massacre of 132 enslaved Africans aboard the slave ship Zong in 1781 and the impact it had on Equiano. It could not have happened at all unless African traders and kings had offered slaves to the Europeans. By this logic, we ought to sue the African American community. Theres a flaw in arguments of the form frankly you should be glad I murdered your sister, since had I not done so, its quite possible though we cannot be sure that someone else would have tortured her then murdered her, which is even worse, so whos the real criminal? Which is that I still murdered your sister. My great grandfather fought to end slavery in a war. And this of course neatly addresses MBEs arguments. "This is a richer history as well as a necessary history; this is a more vivid history as well as a history that tells the back stories of more people in this country than the traditional narratives we've had.". I learned the hard way. So how much have considered paedophilia? He presents a one sided and biased picture of slavery which takes no account of the African participation in it. Well one economist has worked out the amount to be paid (although not on a damages basis, when one imagines blacks might end up paying whites, but on a close the wealth gap basis): A renowned economist has said that $12 trillion should be afforded to black Americans in reparation for slavery to help the close wealth gap. But maybe they did not. And yet anti-black race riots broke out in 1948 in Liverpool and in 1958 in Nottingham and Londons Notting Hill. They did not care much for adult males. Slavery didnt last much longer for various reasons, fizzled out in a century or so, but we have the records to show it was still part of the system after twenty years of Norman rule: https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/domesday/world-of-domesday/order.htm. "We are on a journey in this country and other countries are on similar journeys to try and reconnect to parts of our history that had traditionally been edited out," adds Prof Olusoga. This is because forgetting slavery means forgetting its victims. The strongest case I can see against reparations is not fundamentally a legal one but perhaps one degree abstracted the law if we can litigate that, we can litigate a heck of a lot of stuff from centuries past, tie our legal systems up in knots with no obvious limits in sight. Olusoga patterns his narrative after Fryers, starting with the North African presence in Roman Britain. Olusoga is of half Nigerian descent. That was a bad experience but he should know that you cannot judge a whole country by what happened when he was young. Latin America for instance. It was, I believe, the first book I ever bought for myself with my own money. There is no reason to single White people out for unique levels of criticism. So wherever the wealth came from, it wasnt just slavery (or even mainly), Olusogas an alright presenter but a class A race hustler, Edward Lud August 30, 2020 at 9:12 am We could just cut to the chase, and impose a reparations tax on anyone who is descended from from anyone who did something, er, wrong.. I imagine few do. More than a million copies were sold in Britain cheap pirated versions reached a mass readership. His autobiography, The Interesting Narrative of the Life of Olaudah Equiano, details how he was sold into slavery aged 11, his experience of travelling the world as slave to a Royal Navy officer - who renamed him Gustavus Vassa - and how he bought his freedom from his final master, an English merchant in Montserrat. Black history: Should it be part of the wider curriculum? He is the author of the 2016 book Black and British: A Forgotten History, which was awarded both the Longman-History Today Trustees Award 2017 and the PEN Hessell-Tiltman Prize 2017. One sporting event that has captured your imagination I was fortunate enough to get tickets to see some of the basketball at the London 2012 Olympics, so my brother and I went to watch the GB vs. Spain game. He seems to be an interesting social historian and his TV series on the occupants of a single house over the centuries is very good, although I suspect a lot of the research is done by others, I look forward to an even handed expose of the entire slave trade from birth to capture, imprisonment, sale, transportation, arrival, sale, treatment and life while enslaved as well as the UKs role in stopping it, But it wont be on the BBC, and he wont be writing it I fear, @smfs is that the extra demand distorted the market, led directly to more armed slave-raiding expeditions against rival tribes and so on.. My great, great, grandfather was one. That someone did something 200 years ago means double ought nothing. However, it applies to at least 80% of Americans. Nineteen eighty-four was a transformative year for David Olusoga. And, of course, being half white, he is only entitled to half the reparation payment. If you had spare cash or could borrow, investment in slavery was a sure winner, never mind slave rebellions or hurricanes that destroyed cane fields. If you want to pay more tax, just write a cheque to HMRC and send it off. Vikings took slaves, including exporting Anglo-Saxons (you must have heard the quote Non Angli, sed Angeli about the English slaves being sold in Italy? Why are these characterizations needed? Theres no point pretending Europeans who profited from either the transatlantic slave trade or the use of slave labour in the Americas were somehow doing a favour to the slaves involved. The Westman Islands of Iceland have an interesting history in terms of European slavery a major rebellion of presumably mostly Irish (Westmen) slaves was put down there in the typically brutal Scandinavian manner, hence the name, but in the 1600s the local inhabitants were themselves enslaved by Barbary pirates and taken to Algiers, from where a few were ransomed back and one wrote about the experience. at scales that were unusual in the long and varied history of slavery, and levels of brutality that stood out too.. Would, say, Huguenot-descended South Africans suing France over the 1572 St. Bartholomews Day massacre, or Cornish people suing HMG for the suppression of the 1497 Rebellion, deserve compensation? But that ignores how the demand of outsiders led inevitably to far more supply being provided. "They're not looking to history only to make them feel good and give them comfort, but they're looking to history to tell them things about truths about their society that we have traditionally edited out of British history.". "They look to history not just for inspiration and comfort, not just for heroes and for glorious chapters; they look for history expecting to find challenging stories, painful stories, dark truths, villains as well as heroes. Over 150 years in America. Cheap ass presentism. In the UK its not white people enslaving blacks anymore, but Asians enslaving other Asians, as in Leicesters clothing sweatshops. A fifty quid note in the hand of the first black bloke you encounter. They are now CM scum and couldnt care less about America. The publication in 1852 of Uncle Toms Cabin, by the American abolitionist Harriet Beecher Stowe, swelled national sympathy for the plight of black slaves. He is a Cultural Marxist trying to destroy the West. You know, entirely ignoring lifetime effects? It began to alter (slightly) the history curriculum at university level: the first undergraduate one-year course on black British history and culture was taught at the University of Warwick in 1984. He talks about slavery because YOU care. Oblong, Because it isnt about who you are, its about who your ancestors were. David Olusoga David Olusoga Historian, broadcaster and film-maker. She wasnt interested in my academic pursuit. If you are wracked with guilt, ashamed of your forebears, do it! White people are unique in ending slavery across the world*. One in which enslaved people suffered and even died from malnutrition, as the economics of the slave trade meant that it was cheaper, at times, to starve people and then replace them than it was to provide them with food. It can be withdrawn. No one has said we should not consider someone elses viewpoint. My first reaction, years and years ago, was thats awful. Make sure it doesnt happen in the least costly way. I havent said anything about my personal sense of guilt or responsibility. Particularly as nowadays anyone who dares even look at someone a few days below the age of consent is believed to be an incorrigible nonce who deserves hanging, castration, or castration by hanging. From Roots. The good news is that Black Lives Matter may be that trigger. Would, say, Huguenot-descended South Africans suing France over the 1572 St. Bartholomews Day massacre, or Cornish people suing HMG for the suppression of the 1497 Rebellion, deserve compensation?. They may have been turning people they would have killed into a profitable commodity. arguments are pretty weak since relying on a doctrine of virtues of the fathers risks implicitly accepting sins of the fathers.. The rest of this looks like the usual white washing (so to speak) of African slavery. A House Through Time returned to BBC Two in May for its third season, and once again is fronted by historian extraordinaire David Olusoga. So he calls himself a Geordie. It isnt happening now. The point about slave descendants in Georgia being better off than descendants of slave sellers from West Africa is reasonably strong (though look back in everyones ancestry and youre likely to find, far back enough, a mix of slaves, owners and probably traders too). Sloane witnessed and later became part of a system ruled by terror. In the 15th and 16th centuries, thousands of pounds of gold were shipped to Europe. But it is also likely that disease played a role. Thats what I dont like about the angle of Tims header. We aint paying no goddam reparations & no-ones gonna make us. Reasonable estimates have some 50% of the inhabitants of the Sokoto Caliphate as late as the late 19th cent being slaves. Less flippantly, Western countries are not of one mind when it comes to the age of consent sex with a 14 year-old is legal in some countries, criminal in others (yes yes, paedophilia versus ephebophilia etc, you got me).. Hey, we do not even have to go that far. Thats why when the question is raised, I always point out that they owe me lots and lots of money. What would happen to that money, who knows, but as its (or was) your money, thats between you and your grifter of choice. Its an interesting exercise to consider, given we live within such a system, how or whether that contradiction can be settled. And the third, fourth, fifth, and so on. Cotton was a completely different slave economy. So my advice would be, for his own health, STFU. John Mandeville, whose travelogue (circa 1356) was one of the most widely translated books of the later Middle Ages, presented Africans as naked savages living amid heaps of gold to which they gave no value. Its been banned for two centuries in Britain. After decades of complaints, the Royal African Company lost its monopoly in 1712 and, Olusoga writes, Independent traders were turned loose upon the shores of Africa. These traders had argued (stone-blind to irony) that the right to enslave Africans was a defining feature of English freedom and that the Royal African Company had breached their status as free-born Englishmen. "The way history is viewed is changing. Then a young teenager, he was driven out of his council home, together with his grandmother, mother, two sisters and younger brother, by a sustained campaign of nightly stoning of their windows. One of the reasons why the American and Caribbean experiences were very different. But its still awful, even on a historical scale.. No member of my family ever owned slaves. Later his parents separated from each other when he was just two years old. Heroes of 2020 What Marcus Rashford's campaign for hungry children tells us about . The BBC is not responsible for the content of external sites. Mans a loon. Then dont discuss it. I generally reckon cant blame me, my distant relative was on your side arguments are pretty weak since relying on a doctrine of virtues of the fathers risks implicitly accepting sins of the fathers. Get back to me in seven years, when youre ready to order. It could have ended earlier, but the planter interests in parliament defeated William Wilberforces attempts. Even Bill Clinton had affinity for the USA. it was cheaper, at times, to starve people and then replace them TV historian David Olusoga claims it is "palpable nonsense" to say that removing controversial statues "somehow impoverishes history". Just means they werent alone in being in the wrong. Tull played professional football for Northampton but instead of signing up for Glasgow Rangers, he enlisted. Needless to say, the national mood changed. Peter Olusoga. If their ancestors had remained in Africa would they be better off than they are now? "They do not want British history to be a catalogue of heroes and victories and glorious chapters," he says. . Should black history be taught all year round? What is their strongest argument? It's against this backdrop that Black British History Month was created. The strongest argument I can see for reparations is not that white people bear some kind of ancestral blame. For some peculiar reason possibly because theres a section of Western society has become very insecure about its own position its being some credence. Like the Nigerian slavers who enslaved and sold the slaves, you mean? The Benin Dialogue Group announced it had brokered an agreement that will see "some of the most iconic" of the bronzes returned to Benin City, Nigeria, where they will be housed in the soon-to-be-built Benin Royal Museum. "So when black history was missing - the history of empire, the history of slavery - was missing from my history lessons, I didn't have a place to go to discover those missing chapters. Sign up to receive information regarding NS events, subscription offers & product updates. I know there are posters on here who see stepping into their opponents perspective as a dangerous and pointless endeavour that gives undue worth to a viewpoint they despise, but purely as a mental exercise theres usually something to be said for examining your opponents strongest argument instead of their weakest. He presented the recent series of A House Through Time on BBC 2, and Black and British: A Forgotten History. The agreement is being touted as a . Long after slavery ended in the British colonies, British people continued to lobby the American government to free their slaves. Purely speculatively, and as a matter of prediction rather than judging whats best, its hard to imagine large-scale reparations ever being adopted in Blighty because the ratio of losers to winners with the vote (presuming eg British Asians would be ineligible for compensation) is going to remain unfavourable and the cost of reparations across the relevant parts of the old Empire (if youre compensating British Jamaicans, presumably youre going to compensate all the Jamaicans in Jamaica once youve accepted the principle) would be considerable. Some other buyer would have taken them if they werent shipped out, and Western (or Arab) traders were just changing the ownership and location, the sins of the slave-raiders being theirs alone to bear. In the system that made Sloane wealthy, black women sought out herbs, plant species that he carefully identified and categorised, and used them to induce abortions, determined as many were not to bring into the world children who would be born items of property and destined to live short, brutalised lives. His current research focuses on stress, burnout, and wellbeing in sports, with a particular interest in high-performance environments and elite coaching. Fryers book was monumental, inspiring conferences, publications, the setting up of local history groups, the establishment of Black History Month, and radio and television programmes. It seems absurd to me that anyone should be concerned about what happened 200 or 500 years ago. Will Britain change? That star stuff wont last. If black lives really mattered these people would be protesting the 500 shot dead so far by predominantly black men in Chicago this year. Jamaicans and Nigerians used to hate each other. 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