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Shirley Turner had some startling news. MORRISON: Ah, but there was a lot to say about Andrew. Turner, a general practitioner, was 42 when she killed herself and her son. did. Man #26: and for having the strength to make it through, Unidentified Man #27: With what you've been through, to still be, carrying on, still to hold your heads up and keep going and pushing forward is, (Kate and David; photo of David and Kate), Unidentified Woman #13: I think God put some people down on Earth, Mr. A. BAGBY: (Wedding video) We're brothers, and I love you. I'm absolutely sure. I mean, the best man is really the groom. Unidentified Man #20: The weather here is terrible. And he was beautiful, Kate says. One of Davids shipmates knew the parents of Kates friend well and he knew Kate and her friend were anxious to see the sights. The new law enhances ongoing child welfare improvements that can be traced back to Zachary's death, he said in an interview. to the house and found a card from a police officer that we knew. By the looks of it, the two are still together and happily living their lives as a couple. unforgivable and that's just the way it's going to be for the rest of my life. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) (Unintelligible) Hi, sweetheart. She just dropped to the floor and laid down, and, I went down after her. Cancel online anytime. But the Bagbys, who live in San Jose, California, could scarcely imagine what lay in store for them. It was like they had gone back to what it might have been like when they first got married.. And we came back. On a shelf in the California home of David and Kate Bagby, sitting inconspicuously among some lovely china, are two urns. Box 500 Station A Toronto, ON Canada, M5W 1E6. The two eventually lived together again. MORRISON: Shirley also claimed to have been at home in Iowa, sick in bed the day of the murder. show takes four couples who are having trouble. Hed walk a little and then, boom, hed fall down.. Society as a whole should take the lessons derived from this book and just pray the same tragedy never befalls their own family. Mr. SIMPSON: He said, `You'll never guess who showed up on my doorstep at 5:30.' Kurt Kuenne created the movie as a kind of big-screen scrapbook to immortalize Andrew Bagby, one of his best friends from childhood. Some days its difficult to get out of bed, Kate, 65, says. Only Kate and David, MORRISON: Perhaps the most irksome part of the deal with Shirley. KATE: I thought, `Well, he's got to get out of this.'. In January 2003, the Canadian appeals court ordered her freed while the extradition case moved forward. MORRISON: But Shirley would make it tough for Andrew to do that. I'm tired of this. HEATHER: You are the most amazing, strongest people I've ever. How could a woman be in jail on a suicide watch one day and be taking care of his grandson the next? At the final bonfire, David and Kate broke up, with Kateleaving the island aloneand David leaving with one of the single women, Toneata. I said, `Oh, no. Closed Captioning and Described Video is available for many CBC shows offered on CBC Gem. The public declaration all but removed the Bagbys doubts. I said, `Andrew,' I said, `be serious. It is a story of their love for an infant and a tale of their determination to care for the child, even if it meant learning to live with the woman they were sure had killed their son. In November 2001, the body of a young doctor named Andrew Bagby was discovered in Keystone State Park outside Latrobe, Pennsylvania, five bullet wounds in his face, chest, buttocks, and the back of the head. Harriette Cole: I don't want the neighbor's kids at my house, Dear Abby: My wife said she doesn't like it, but it's part of my life, Ask Amy: I feel guilty for not speaking up about my co-worker's activities, Ask Amy: I'm your cabin housekeeper, and you apparently have no idea what I do. CBC's Journalistic Standards and Practices. Unable to add item to List. HEATHER: I knew he'd been struggling with me moving on and dating other people. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) I was really upset when you took him today, because I feel like I did the day you saw him at Unified Family Court. MORRISON: But then things changed. David has written a book about the case, Dance with the Devil: A Memoir of Murder and Loss. Murder of Bagby: Shirley Jane Turner: First-degree murder ( died before standing trial) Zachary Andrew Turner (18 July 2002 - 18 August 2003) [2] : 78 was a boy from St. John's, Newfoundland, Canada, who was murdered by his mother, Shirley Jane Turner, in a murder-suicide. It took a series of calls, but Kate eventually heard the words she so feared. We don't--we don't gush very much. She was placed on suicide watch after intake screening. No one can tell the story as clearly and with as much emotion as his father does in this book. Turner had not finished with the family yet. She woke the baby and carried him up the stairs to her home, David recalls. He said he had a couple of English nurses who wanted to go to Disneyland. They drowned Aug. 18, 2003, in what was ruled a murder-suicide. Mr. SIMPSON: Andrew, you know you can do a lot better. No one in my entire library system owns it either (30+ libraries), so I wound up having to get an interlibrary loan and have this book shipped to me from another state. In June 2003 the Attorney General ordered that Turner be extradited to the US. "The law had let her out on the street and let her keep formal custody of the baby," says David. Audio CD. KATE: You were always afraid that she was going to find something. Now that Zachary was starting to walk, he was free to make a beeline to. The project took a tragic turn and became a catalyst for legal change when Zachary didn't live to see it. If I, just kill her, Zachary will be safe. Mr. BAGBY: Constable Walsh asking to call him. The only thing about his life that didn't make sense to some friends and family was his relationship with that doctor from Newfoundland, the one he'd started dating when going to medical school there. I can understand that. "Every time I saw Shirley I'd think, 'That's the finger that pulled the trigger on the gun that killed Andrew,'" says Kate. Here the grandparents are making nice with the woman they believe killed their, son. Written by the father of the murder victim, you learn all the details that led up to his son's murder and the preventable murder of his grandson. MORRISON: But as Kurt made his way around the globe, his tribute materialized into something far bigger, and much darker, than anyone could have imagined. MORRISON: When another of Andrew's best friends, Kurt Kuenne, heard about the murder, he also went into a tailspin. Zachary's birth gave the documentary new impetus. MORRISON: And now that she was freed, Shirley would once again, Mr. BAGBY: We had to take him down the stairs and give him to, Shirley's friend, who happened to have a car seat. NOT an easy or pleasant watch in the slightest. Yes,Shirley Turner should have been innocent until proven guilty, but to be out on parole( with her sureties only needing to provide their signatures and not a red cent,another crime towards the innocent!!) Bring your club to Amazon Book Clubs, start a new book club and invite your friends to join, or find a club thats right for you for free. Mr. BAGBY: (Audio recording) You don't like this answer, but I'm going to, give it to you again. Suddenly, the Bagbys were appointed Zachary's main carers. We were kind of like, `Well, we're not the best ones to be taking care of a child.' MORRISON: When you did find out that she was pregnant, what was your thought? This book is more about how the justice system failed and 2 more people are dead because of it. (Trailer park; parking lot; water; Kurt on boat; excerpts from "Dear Zachary"; houses seen through rainy window; Kate and Zachary). KATE: So this man said to me, `Do you know that Shirley Turner's pregnant with your son's child? They had tapped into their retirement accounts to get by. Very, very serious. I just want to get through medical school.'. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) I do have a complaint, finally. While watching the few minutes of the show, I could not believe that what the woman in the 'story' had done (at the end of the show/book) (and don't want to give away the ending here). Something went wrong, please try again later. A judge ruled that Turner's detention was not in the public interest and released her on bail. 2007 David Bagby (P)2016 ListenUp Production, LLC. David and Kate Bagby,shown in this 2004 file photo. They put their belongings in storage, rented out their house and moved to St. Johns, Newfoundland. Mrs. Kate Holland Bagby, age 101, of Flowery Branch entered into eternal rest with her Heavenly Father on Tuesday, Oct. 2, 2012, at her residence following a short illness. That little boy, with the blue eyes and pudgy cheeks. And so he set out to collect the memories of Andrew's family and giant circle of friends. Sitting with Kate and David in the sunny house where they raised their son, its almost as if they can see those days right in front of their eyes. Kate on average, especially at the beginning, tended to break down in despair and tears, David says. See rank. Shortly after Andrew's death, his friend Kurt Kuenne had started to a make a documentary about the murder, asking friends and family to share their memories of Andrew. Justice Gail Welsh justified allowing Shirley to walk because there was "no evidence" of Shirley having mental dysfunctions that made her a danger to society. Cant imagine the pain the author went through writing this book. MORRISON: Zachary Andrew Turner, the son of murder victim Andrew, Bagby and his accused killer Shirley Turner, was born on July 18th 2002, eight, months after the young doctor's murder. She would never go away. GARDNER: (Audio recording) I understand that. More than a month passed before Turner was finally arrested in Canada on December 21 but, within hours she was out on bail until she could be extradited to the US. I said, `Do not meet her in private.' I think they just poured all of their love and, MORRISON: A week after Kurt's visit, Zachary turned one. Temptation Islandairs Tuesdays at 10 pm ET on USA. On Nov. 14, a Canadian judge ruled that Turner should indeed be jailed while arguments continued on whether she should be sent back to the United States. David Bagby. Fans loved all of the drama this couple had, on the show so let's hope season three brings just as much heat! "With Andrew gone and then Zachary gone, we didn't give a damn about putting up a Christmas tree or lights outside or any of that stuff," Bagby said from their home in Gilroy, about 30 kilometres south of San Jose. If she had her way, we would not have had any visitation at, MORRISON: Coming up, fighting not just to see their grandson, but. Shirley kills Zachary and herself by jumping into the Atlantic Ocean. We. Memorial University Medical School. MORRISON: But would that somebody turn out to be a blessing or a curse? The 13-month-old boy died when his mother, Dr. Shirley Turner, held him and jumped into the frigid North Atlantic near Conception Bay South, N.L. But how? The youngster's death followed the killing of his father, Andrew Bagby the couple's only child. I read this book in a single day on 2 airplanes several months ago. "This is it recognition by the legal community, which includes Parliament, that bail had something to do with Zachary's death. ', Mr. SHEARS: Things happen in America that don't seem to happen up here as. Click to share on Facebook (Opens in new window), Click to share on Twitter (Opens in new window), Click to email a link to a friend (Opens in new window), Click to share on Reddit (Opens in new window), Chart: Bay Area rainfall totals for this week, Contact Mike Cassidy at mcassidy@mercurynews.com or (408) 920-5536. KATE: (To Zachary) Kurt knew your daddy when he was a little boy. decision. "There, is no indication of a psychological disorder that would give concern about, potential harm to the public generally as her crime, while violent, was, specific in nature." Newfoundland MP Scott Andrews introduced the private member's bill to reform bail provisions. I dont know.. The Bagbys went to the morgue to identify their bodies. T.J. and his girlfriend went to bed. For more information, please see our Details aplenty as this book includes legal cases, quoted interviews, diary portions, and anything you can imagine.This is a complete emotional roller coaster so buckle up and be prepared. KEITH MORRISON reporting: He was everybody's idea of the perfect best man. Elsewhere in St. Johns, T.J. Shears, who first reported his mother and Zachary missing, was suffering his own devastation. In fact, Turner would travel frequently from Iowa to visit Andrew in Latrobe, something shed done the week before he was killed. Cpl. He was like, `Eh, mm.' And thus the decision from which all else followed. He was especially delighted to hear that David and Kate Bagby are once again hauling out boxes of Christmas decorations that went unused for so long. Slain tot's grandparents welcome new bail law. Despite being a documentary, this film revolves around a major plot twist in its second half, and many of the trope names themselves are spoilers for it. Not too long ago? They were in kind of a basement apartment with second-hand furniture. Mr. SHEARS: She's kind of reliving a university life again. KATE: People thought she was delicate, you know, and looked KATE: She couldn't kill. ?I knew what Zachary's fate would be long before it was written about here but it was shattering to read of it from his grandfather's perspective. David expresses his intense rage and his intense patience with Turner superbly. On the film's website, David asks those who have seen Kurt's documentary to write to the Canadian Minister of Justice and add their name to his campaign. He went to work at Latrobe Area Hospital. This report aired Dateline Friday, July 23. Yes,they were innocent as well, but I feel it takes a big person to rise abouve it all and not harbour animosity towards those people. He was jolly.. don't have these meltdowns and emotional scenes. They seemed so real and genuine, and showed more raw emotion than any survivor of a crime I hadn't ever seen before. David Bagby, 61, has written a book about much of it, Dance with the Devil: A Memoir of Murder and Loss, scheduled for release late this month by Canadian publisher Key Porter Books Limited. As the couple continued to date, Andrew complained to friends that Turner would not leave him alone. American authorities asked Canadian, authorities to send her back to the US, which would require an extradition, hearing. Why didn't the many people who witnessed Shirley Turner's disturbing behavior and intense wrath make an issue in the courts more of it? After reading what happened to that poor innocent little boy I truly think that the people responsible for leaving him with his dangerous, violent suicidal mother should do hard time in prison. But that didn't erase their unease, or a remarkable feeling, (Shirley and Zachary at birthday party; David), Mr. BAGBY: I considered killing her myself, seriously considered it. She spent the day in his house across from the hospital, reading e-mail and checking eBay bids for a Barbie doll she wanted. This book just reinforces the obliviousness and callousness of " the system" towards victims and its sick preoccupation with criminals' rights. He said, `The psychotic bitch. MORRISON: The ammunition used to kill Andrew was CCI .22 caliber bullets. While they could not have foreseen the murder or their son, Andrew, they did everything they could to keep their grandson, Zachery, safe. My gut just churned. They raised a wonderful, Unidentified Man #26: Thanks for bringing such a wonderful person. Since then, David has spent time enjoying the single life and reconnecting with some of the guys fromTemptation Island. It was all incorrect from the beginning, that all this, innocence and everything she's told you was a lie. She. I lay in--laid there in bed a couple of times and thought, If I just kill her, Zachary will be safe. One credit a month to pick any title from our entire premium selection yours to keep (you'll use your first credit now). Turner grew up in Canada, where she married and divorced two men and had three children who often lived with their fathers and other relatives. In November 2002, a year after Andrew's murder, the judge in Turner's extradition case finally threw out the queries raised by her lawyer and put Turner in jail, ruling there was enough evidence to warrant a trial. That they survived such horrible adversity is a testament to their courage, resolve and love. Id come in and Id be excited, Kate says. And you just bought the gun, right? There are so many questions raised:why was there no psychological profile done on Turner as she awaited trial?Why did child protection services not do their job and protect ( or even follow closely) Zachary? Or by navigating to the user icon in the top right. His parents were ecstatic. There was an error retrieving your Wish Lists. And I said, `Who?' At first, visitation was limited to one wonderful, torturous hour a week with Zachary. Co-workers later said he told Turner their relationship was finished. His medical studies in Newfoundland were complete. Hes been murdered, Kate said to David. MORRISON: Andrew was the only child of software engineer David Bagby and his wife, Kate, a nurse practitioner. Did anybody want to take them? David says. Kate and David married five months later. Mackenzie Long graduated from The George Washington University in 2021 with a Bachelor of Business Administration. Shortly after being taken into custody, Turner announced that she was pregnant with Andrew's child, a boy she named Zachary. get in there, if that's what she demanded. Mommy loves you. She was coming here to take care of me. IE 11 is not supported. The next day, she got in her car with her gun.. Woman #9: to make that journey was awful. killing Zachary in a murder-suicide. Reviewed in the United States on September 4, 2020. Christopher Snow, of St. Michael and All Angels Church, which the Bagbys attended in Newfoundland. Mr. BAGBY: By this time we're pretty damn sure she's complete. kind of panic sets in, I guess. It had happened almost surely the last, night they were together, and DNA tests would later prove that Andrew was, (Supreme Court exterior; court in progress; house exterior; Shirley and Shears. She then murders said grandson in a murder-suicide. You can, just--there's nothing. Mr. BAGBY: The baby would be half Andrew, and that, for us, was sweet. Late the next night, Turner put Zachary in a car and drove in intermittent heavy rain from St. Johns to Kelligrews on the Atlantic Ocean. Theyll find her. The next thing a police constable is at the door., Two bodies have been found on the beach, the officer said. Time for all of them to get together at McDonalds for Zacharys first birthday party. It was a congloption, Kate says of the menu. I just finishes the book, and for a first-time writer I thought the writing was excellent. Kate and David Bagby knew exactly what they were going to do. Those words, David says, are burned into my heart.. She, floored by grief. Defo a good read. David Bagby vowed to "scream long and loud about that." He penned a book, Dance with the Devil: A Memoir of Murder and Loss, released in 2007. In the fall of 2002, Turner and her lawyer agreed that the Bagbys should gain temporary custody of Zachary if Turner were sent to jail. Mr. BAGBY: Shirley killed Andrew. That's what Kurt does, he's an independent filmmaker. In the spring of 2002, David quit his job and Kate took a leave. The watch was continued after a more comprehensive psychological exam. They have a mission to bring change from tragedy. If they had awarded custody to the Bagbys and not granted that monster bail Zachary would be a young man and Shirley Turner would be serving her sentence in a Pennsylvania Women's Prison. thing, because up until Andrew was murdered, I was a Pollyanna. KATE: I knew exactly what my son looked at before he died. Zachary held his hands out, reaching for Kate.. This is the most moving and incredibly outrageous true story I've ever heard. She flew back to Iowa in a rage, David Bagby says. Related:Temptation Island: What Happened To Casey & Ashley After Season 2? Whom was also a doctor. It pains me to award only two stars to a book written by David Bagby, but I want to use the Goodreads' ranking system more accurately. Cpl. There won't be any question about, whether she can hurt him. Or was this her, way of demanding that they suspend their critical faculties and declare their, Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) I don't know what to give Zachary. But if her claims were true, and she was carrying their grandchild, then they were clear: they wanted custody. Since their son was murdered in 2001 and their year-old grandchild was killed in Newfoundland in 2003,the California couple hasn't bothered decking the halls, but now they're celebrating alegal victory in the case. Shirley and Zachary, then 13 months old, had been staying with the couple. Meeting her at 6. Reviewed in the United Kingdom on March 12, 2018, Reviewed in the United Kingdom on September 28, 2017. Mr. BAGBY: We were out shopping or something. She worked as a doctor at the Memorial University of Newfoundland, in Canada, where Andrew trained. GARDNER: (Audio recording) I'm not going to kid you, Doctor. When he returned to the States, Shirley showed up soon after. After breaking up at the final bonfire and ultimately reconciling, here's what David and Kate have been up to since Temptation Island season 2 aired. I never really convinced myself that she, could--that she would hurt Zachary. We had negotiated a one-hour-a-week visitation in family court. Unidentified Woman #11: I love them very much. This is tragically cut with one of Andrew's friends remembering that he was never latewhich is how he knew, when Andrew didn't arrive to his house as planned, that something was terribly wrong. Each decision is subject to appeal. report that concluded the child protection system failed Zachary Turner. He was such a good baby. MORRISON: It was August 2003, the wee hours of the morning by the ocean. The first time we had contact with her was over the phone. He's a little bleary eyed, but. Colleagues warned him to go to the police but, instead, after work that day he drove to a car park to meet her. endure another round of grief when Turner has another psychotic episode and drowns herself in the ocean along with Zachary. The suicide, he says, confirmed what he never wanted to believe that his mother was a murderer. ", He started to cry and reached out for Kate, but Turner held him back and said firmly: "You can't always be with your grandparents.". A tale of sorrow and survival. (Photo of David and Kate; airplane; lake and coast), MORRISON: But here's the thing. Shirley. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Film/DearZachary. MORRISON: And, says T.J., in the way of her opportunities to be. Their year-old grandson was killed by his mother in Newfoundland while she was out on bail awaiting an extradition decision. You can't tell them this over the phone. He was beautiful and looked just like Andrew. The treatments worked a sweet miracle and on Sept. 25, 1973, Andrew David Bagby was born. 1 Nov, 2021 what character are you from encanto royal caribbean app features kelly ann cicalese . So we called, and he came over and told us that Zachary and Shirley were. Easy duty. Thankfully, their relationship didn't turn into a lifelong romance. (Photo of Shirley; Zachary; photo of Shears and Zachary), Mr. SHEARS: There was a conversation one time she had with me and Erica, in, regards to if something ever happened to her and she had to go to jail or. What a flaky person. Andrew Bagby was studying at Memorial University medical school in Newfoundland when he met Turner, a fellow medical student 12 years his senior. I didn't have. To calculate the overall star rating and percentage breakdown by star, we dont use a simple average. They could check cell towers then, but only manually. They smothered him in kisses and often spoke to him about Andrew. in honor of his beloved friend Andrew, and then for Andrew's son, Zachary. March 17, 2007 at 7:39 p.m. Kate and David Bagby knew exactly what they were going to do. I was just hoping more from this book, but I can understand it. Though David and Kate ultimately did not find their happy ending on Temptation Island, they both seem to be in a better place since the show aired. I thought if I do that, I go to prison, maybe Kate. Wasn't anybody willing to step up(besides the Bagbys) and try to rescue that baby?? They might as well have sent a taxi to her to help take him out and drown him. They really wanted to have a relationship with their grandchild. [2] : 494 [3] At the time, Shirley had been released on bail and . It didnt take Pennsylvania police long to put together a suspect and motive, according to the 1,100-page Turner Review and Investigation, which was commissioned by the province of Newfoundland. KATE: And so she said, `Oh, take him and get him dressed,' to me. Everyone could see how far off the deep end Shirley Turner was, including the very justice system that continued to set her free and place an innocent child in her arms. Mr. BAGBY: What a flake. Both reactions are legitimate, prompted by the same tragic loss, David says. They watched the legal proceedings grind, infuriating and slow. doesn't take much to pull a trigger, does it? Instead they focused on their physician sons legacy, while contemplating ways to honor his memory. Zachary, I love you, baby. Unfortunately, it went out of print and is very expensive to purchase. They dated for about a year before leaving Canada. And when, after his first year at med school, Heather broke off the engagement, Andrew was crushed. I was truly shocked when I watched it. My heart goes out to Mr. and Mrs. Bagby. And in the meantime, without that crucial piece of evidence to charge her with Andrew's murder, Shirley Turner quietly left US soil and returned home to Newfoundland. As the months slowly passed, the Bagbys visitation rights were expanded. They would go to Pennsylvania to collect the body and belongings of their only child. Why? David Bagby has written such a poignant account of the sordid happenings and has brought both Andrew and Zachary alive on the pages. I said, `This woman was in town. I guess they just clenched their teeth and did it.. In November 2001, the body of a young doctor named Andrew Bagby was discovered in Keystone State Park outside Latrobe, Pennsylvania, five bullet wounds in his face, chest, buttocks, and the back of the head. Did anyone have more friends than he? I read on Netflix it's best you know nothing about the story, and that is so true. The other, their grandson, Zachary Turner. Mr. BAGBY: That's one of the options, and that's the one we hoped for. Mother a murderer. The man said Turner had called him about 200 times in a one-month period, including a call to tell him she was pregnant with his child. ', He quoted Shakespeare to me, Kate says, and I thought, `This is incredible. $19.46 2 New from $19.46. But their efforts to safeguard him weren't enough and they saythat both the justice system and the child welfare system failed them. In November 2001, Bagby was found dead under suspicious circumstances in a local park, to the anguish of many. Temptation Island: What Happened To Casey & Ashley After Season 2? MORRISON: Despite it all, the Bagbys were thrilled to be living, with Zachary. HEATHER: I was so excited that he was dating somebody. Kate and David thus lose their son and grandson to the same evil womanand the former might still be alive today had the court system not let Shirley walk free. Andrew came to St. John's. The court allowed the Bagbys supervised visits with Zachary. Initially, Andrew's close friend Kurt Kuenne, a filmmaker, intended the film as a personal memorial and scrapbook so that Zachary could know the kind of person his father was. Mr. SHEARS: It seemed like it to me, yeah. MORRISON: Andrew Bagby. KATE: You get a different kind of relationship with God after this kind of. Suspicion immediately fell on an ex-lover, Shirley Turner, well-known among Andrew's friends and family for her one-sided obsession with Bagbyan obsession that led to her driving sixteen hours back to his home after their final breakup the day before Bagby's body was discovered. I don't know how they are still living, but he described their heartbreak and pain so effectively. He had been shot five times - in the face, chest, twice in the buttocks and once in the back of the head. To speed the process they agreed to conditions imposed by Turner, including that they be searched before every visit. Highly recommended. The couple were so scared of upsetting Turner and losing access to Zachary they forced themselves to be cordial. In 2006, the press was there again to cover the issuance of a report on the death of, (Newspaper article; David on TV show being interviewed; Confederation, Unidentified Reporter: (Newscast) The government has received a scathing. Get help and learn more about the design. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) I know you don't want to, you don't intend to. She was, pregnant, and the baby was Andrew's. For David, of course, there is the book, but there is also the caldron of emotion that refuses to let him rest until hes sure hes done all he can to prevent others from going through what he and Kate have endured. They sometimes visited with Zachary and Turner as if nothing had happened. keep him safe, which they feared was about to become even more difficult. "Nobody wants to do it, but you have to do it.". . The first time I had to go into a room with her, David says. 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